[键盘侠]爵士续约戈贝尔|小球会的无奈! 不溢价就只能手放开

Utah Jazz center Rudy Gobert has agreed to a five-year, $205M extension, @ESPN_MacMahon reports. Jazz’s two cornerstones — Gobert and Donovan Mitchell — are now under contract on long term deals.

名记Tim MacMahon报道，消息人士透露，戈贝尔5年2.05亿提前续约爵士，其中第5年为球员选项。

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[–]Gran Destino TheSpaceCowboyx 91 指标 16小时前

HOLY OVERPAY

这也给得忒多了吧！！！

[–]Raptors FlameOfWar 921 指标 15小时前

FYI this is 5% higher than his normal max extension and 10% lower than a supermax.

猛龙球迷：比一般的顶薪还多5%，离超级顶薪就差10%。

[–][POR] Brandon Roy NevermoreSEA 5344 指标 15小时前3

That's certainly a choice.

开拓者球迷：这当然也是一种选择咯。

[–]76ers SecondHandFood 2263 指标 14小时前

I mean :

it’s not the quarter billion max

they didn’t lose him for nothing

the Jazz don’t really attract star talent historically.

Does it look like the salary cap distribution of a championship team? No, but the Jazz get to keep ‘their’ team together and they’re going to be a reasonably successful team.

76人球迷：要我说吧，这价钱又不是那种动辄2.5左右的顶薪，爵士又没白白失去戈贝尔，而且就过往来说，爵士还真吸引不到球星。

难道这工资帽反倒有助于他们争冠？不至于，不过爵士的确得以保住了“他们的”球队，而且他们还能取得应有的成功。

[–][UTA] Adam Keefe soapy_goatherd 1084 指标 14小时前

It’s not a great number but we’re going to be really good for the next few years with an outside chance at contention. I’d rather have that than another rebuild

爵士球迷：虽说往后争冠基本没啥可能，但我们至少能保证今后几年能打啊。总比重建好。

[–]76ers Los_Ingobernablez 47 指标 14小时前

Even with a rebuild, the chances of getting this good of a team again is slim.

76人球迷：哪怕重建了，再打造出一支强队的可能性也很低。

[–]Bullets ragtime_sam 698 指标 14小时前*

You havent heard? You have to either be a title team or tank

奇才球迷：难道都没听过吗？NBA的球队要么争冠要么摆烂==

[–]Wizards HelloJoeyJoeJoe 213 指标 14小时前

Lol, what the hell are we then.

奇才球迷：哈哈哈，那我们算个啥。

[–][UTA] Derrick Favors JazzManOS 424 指标 14小时前

NBA Purgatory, which is what the Jazz are trying to avoid lol

爵士球迷：你们是我爵唯恐避之不及的NBA炼狱，哈哈哈。

[–]Nuggets Bossgarlic 47 指标 14小时前

No shit, look at some of these other small market teams perpetually "rebuilding". It's not like we can just tank and draft a LeBron every year.

掘金球迷：那些人净扯淡，看看那些年年“重建”的小球会过得咋样就知道了。搞得像我们摆烂就能选中詹姆斯一样……

[–]Grizzlies keefstrong 48 指标 13小时前

Yeah people were telling the raptors that for awhile.. then they got a chip by remaining in contention.

灰熊球迷：就是，前些年大家还总说猛龙应该重建……结果他们保持着竞争力反倒拿到了冠军。

[–][CHI] Lauri Markkanen chitownbulls92 16 指标 11小时前

A lot of fans hold the idea that if you're not contending for a championship you need to rebuild. Never agreed with that. There is value in being a winning team that gets into the playoffs every year.

公牛球迷：很多球迷始终觉得，要是你没能力争冠，那就得重建。我一直都不认同这个。每年能进季后赛的强队也是有价值的。

[–]Raptors VanVleet-goes-for-22 332 指标 14小时前

Just imagine Kawhi came out next free agency and was like “yeah I really wanted to play for the Jazz, but they had no more money left so I had to settle for the clippers”

猛龙球迷：那要是小卡明年进入自由市场说“对哦，本来我是蛮想去爵士的。可他们没钱签我了，所以我只有去快船。”咋办？

[–]Jazz MormonsAreDifferent 178 指标 14小时前

I've been a fan of the Jazz for thirty plus years and I've imagined many people even considering coming to Utah. Even when we are contenders no one wants to come here, so its pointless. In thirty years the best we got was Carlos Boozer and the last couple years of Joe Johnson.

爵士球迷：我做爵士球迷已经三十多年了，甚至连球星考虑来爵士的场面都幻想过很多次。哪怕当年我们有争冠实力的时候，也没有球星愿意来。所以楼上这种假设毫无意义。三十年来，我们自由市场最大的收获还是布泽尔，过去几年就是乔-约翰逊。

[–]Lakers Hypertumor 94 指标 15小时前

You were only one shot away from the second round. Don't be too disappointed.

湖人球迷：你们离上赛季第二轮只差一球，不要太灰心啊。

[–]Jazz coogs35 67 指标 16小时前

I’m honestly happy with this.

It’s way under the supermax, and our entire scheme is built around Rudy. He is being overpaid, but Utah has to overpay everybody to get them to stay.

It was this or accepting mediocrity and letting him walk. Plus, his contract per year is close to Russell’s and you can’t convince me in 100 years Russell is more valuable than Gobert.

爵士球迷：其实这个续约我挺开心的。

这钱也没到超级顶薪吧，而且戈贝尔是建队基石。他这合同确实溢价了，可要想留住人，我们犹他只有倒贴啊。

不然就只能让他走人之后沦为平庸。再说了，他的年薪和拉塞尔差不多，你总不能说拉塞尔比戈贝尔更值钱吧。

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[–][UTA] Joe Ingles NitroXYZ 4006 指标 15小时前

Better than $260 Million. Honestly I'm resigned to the fact that nobody is ever joining the Jazz to win a championship, it's just how small markets work, so I'd rather we repay the faith to our loyal stars and be a perennial 50 win team

爵士球迷：总比2.6亿的超级顶薪好啦。讲真，没人愿意来我爵士一起争取冠军，这个残酷的现实我只能接受。这就是小球会的命运啊。所以比起放他离开，我更愿意球队用大价钱回报自家球星的忠心，常年做一支50胜球队也挺好。

[–]Lakers sushie182 119 指标 15小时前

I think super max was 228 mil?

Either way, no one should be clowning the Jazz. Money had to go somewhere.

Things will get a bit uncomfortable in a few years though.

湖人球迷：他的超级顶薪是2.28亿吧？

不管咋说，大家都不该嘲笑爵士。这钱迟早得花。

不过往后几年就有点膈应了。

[–][NYK] John Starks ObviousAnswerGuy 35 指标 15小时前

Yea, I don't think you guys had much of a choice here.

尼克斯球迷：是啊，爵士这真没得选。

[–]Nets mibuwolf23 1481 指标 15小时前*

I think this is totally fair take. Last season was a disappointment of expectations not but unsuccessful, and Jazz still have great pieces for a highly competitive season. Jazz can still crack top 4 in the west again, and Mitchell will continue to grow.

篮网球迷：爵士这么做完全合情合理。上赛季爵士让人有点失望不算成功，不过他们依然有参与激烈竞争的资本。他们新赛季依然能再度冲进前四，而且米切尔还会进步的。

[–]Mavericks desirox 24 指标 15小时前

50 wins is better than most of the league. I hate championship or tank culture

独行侠球迷：50胜比大多数球队都强。我讨厌那种要么冠军要么摆烂的风气。

[–]Jazz PierreDelectosSock 689 指标 15小时前

Not to mention, both Gobert and Mitchell were mid-late first round draft picks that we developed into all-NBA talent. We've got them for the next 5 years...if we get one more pick like that in the next year or two, with a supporting cast of Bogdanovic, Ingles, Favors, O'Neale, and Clarkson, a ring wouldn't be out of the question.

爵士球迷：你还别说，戈贝尔和米切尔当初都是比较靠后的首轮签，这是我们自家培养出来的赛季最佳阵级天赋。今后五年我们就靠他俩了……如果明年或后年，我们还能淘到这种新秀，辅以博格达诺维奇、英格尔斯、费沃斯、奥尼尔和克拉克森这些配角，冠军也是有可能的。

[–]Nigeria Okoba27 226 指标 15小时前

You guys weren't healthy in the playoffs last year right?

尼日尔利亚球迷：你们上赛季季后赛不是全员健康吧？

[–]Jazz JanglinCharles 457 指标 15小时前

Bogdanovic was out for all of the playoffs, so we were down a starter.

爵士球迷：博格达诺维奇整个季后赛都没打，我们等于是让了一个首发。

[–]Supersonics Mikkkey 22 指标 14小时前

Bojan was not just a starter he was the second-highest scorer, too.

超音速球迷：他可不只是首发这么简单，他还是爵士队内第二号得分点。

[–]Nigeria Okoba27 148 指标 15小时前

Hes huge for yall too. Idk I still have faith in the Jazz. You guys need a better point guard though. I get shit for saying this every time but I think you guys really need to make a move at the point.

尼日尔利亚球迷：他对爵士很重要。反正我依然很相信爵士的实力。不过他们还需要一个更强的控卫。我知道有人会喷我，不过我觉得这真是当务之急。

[–]Knicks NovaKash 65 指标 15小时前

People were calling the Jazz dark horse title contenders before last season and I just don't see how that status has so completely disappeared after we watched Mitchell blow the fuck up in the playoffs and the Jazz are bringing back the same roster. To me this was the right call. Gobert is a 2x DPOTY! I get it, it's rough to pay him $10m a year more than Bam when Bam is way better on offense and arguably as impactful on defense. But guys are worth what teams are willing to pay for them. Someone would have maxed Gobert, so that's what the Jazz had to do.

尼克斯球迷：上赛季之前，很多人都说爵士是争冠黑马，我当时还不理解，直到我看了米切尔上赛季季后赛diao炸天的操作。我觉得大价钱续约米切尔很正确，他可是两届赛季最佳防守人啊！我懂，他的年薪比阿德巴约还高1000万有点接受无能，毕竟阿德巴约进攻端强太多，防守也不乏影响力。可是只要球队愿意给，那球员就值那个价。肯定还有球队愿意给戈贝尔顶薪，所以爵士只能这么做。

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[–][PHI] Ben Simmons TatersTot 2898 指标 15小时前2

Lmfao Pacers West it is

76人球迷：笑死个人，这不就是当年的步行者和韦斯特嘛。

[–]Pacers KneejerkCoItsFan 34 指标 16小时前

Fuck you dude

sobs in corner

步行者球迷：滚尼玛的。（角落里抽泣==）

[–]Bucks kyleb402 58 指标 16小时前

That's a lot of money...

雄鹿球迷：这钱太多啦……

[–][MIA] Dwyane Wade RandomVintage 329 指标 16小时前

He's not worth $40M per. Man, this salary cap is crazy.

热火球迷：他可不值4000万的年薪。天呐，现在这工资帽制度太扯淡了。

[–][DAL] Evan Eschmeyer Liebe_Dirk 163 指标 15小时前

I understand the reasons for having max and supermax contracts in the NBA. But right now, the rules put small markets in a very awkward spot. It’s either overpaying your stars, or going through a rebuild if you don’t draft a generational talent.

独行侠球迷：联盟出台顶薪和超级顶薪政策的出发点我能理解，可现在呢，这些法规使得小球会很尴尬。要么你多花钱留住球星，如果没选到一个划时代天才的话，那就重建吧。

[–]Bucks Dischucker 591 指标 15小时前

Sorry jazz bros

雄鹿球迷：心疼爵士老铁。

[–]Lakers rdb_gaming 34 指标 14小时前

Supermax contracts should only be available to people who were in the top 10 of mvp voting or something. Its stupid that a player like Gobert can straight up hold them hostage for 40 mil+. This isnt a supermax but is over the regular max, which would also, in my opinion be an overpay for a player that is only really useful on one end and only really useful on that end against a team that doesnt have a smaller 5 who can take him outside.

湖人球迷：超级顶薪应该只能给那些MVP投票前十之类的球员。让戈贝尔这种球员坐地起价要到4000万的年薪真是蠢，虽然不是超级顶薪，但也比一般的顶薪多啊。在我看来，他这种仗着对手内线无人的一招鲜球员拿这个价钱就是溢价。

[–]Bucks The_Sign_of_Zeta 29 指标 16小时前

But if they didn’t, they’d be stuck out of the playoffs in the West and likely lose Mitchell.

雄鹿球迷：如若不然呢，那爵士往后怕是进不了季后赛了，很可能还会失去米切尔。

[–]Lakers Thomas_E_Brady 31 指标 15小时前

Obviously without context the contract looks terrible, but what else was Utah supposed to do? Let their second best player walk? This was really the only move they could have made to keep him and people would still clown them if they let Gobert walk.

I really don’t think half of NBA fans understand how difficult it is for small market teams to build their teams compared to big market teams.

湖人球迷：不看大环境的话，这合同确实不该，不过爵士还能咋办呢？难道让队内二当家走人？他们要留人只能这么做，万一真把他放走了，还是会沦为笑柄。

我真心觉得，有一半的NBA球迷还不知道小球会在大球会的夹缝中生存得多么艰辛。

[–][SEA] Shawn Kemp Bleoox 246 指标 15小时前

People with the championship or bust mentality think it's better to be out of the playoffs than being a first/second round exit.

超音速球迷：那些觉得不拿冠军就摆烂的人认为无缘季后赛比首轮或次轮游好些。

[–]Timberwolves SushiGato 81 指标 15小时前

All they have to do is look at the Wolves since KG to know that is not true.

森林狼球迷：他们只需要看看加内特走了之后的我狼，就知道不是那么回事。

[–]Timberwolves Salty_Minnesota 785 指标 15小时前

I would kill to be in their position tbh. Perennial playoff team? Count me the fuck in.

森林狼球迷：我狼要有爵士这本事那我得乐死。年年季后赛？那特么太可了。

[–]Spurs desubeast 560 指标 15小时前

I bet Mitchell is mad as fuck right now, like sure he got his too but now he's stuck with Gobert making 41M/y for the next five seasons lol

马刺球迷：我猜米切尔这会儿肯定直冒火，虽说他刚拿了一大笔。可他今后五年都和戈贝尔4100万的年薪绑一起了，哈哈哈

[–]Wandering_Turtle24 35 指标 15小时前

He knew damn well that Rudy was staying put. He’s not an idiot.

他肯定一早就知道戈贝尔会留队啊，他又不蠢。

[–]Bucks iFinesseThePlug 572 指标 15小时前*

Gobert just needs to develop a 3pt shot out of thin air and they're set.

雄鹿球迷：戈贝尔只需开发出一手三分就行。

[–]Spurs desubeast 308 指标 15小时前

I think his .631 career FT% could be improved too

马刺球迷：他那命中率63%的罚球也得提高吧

[–]Lakers signmeupdude 83 指标 15小时前

Or at least learn how to catch the ball consistently

湖人球迷：还是学学怎么把球抓住吧。

[–]76ers Mickeyknox36 146 指标 15小时前

It would be really really funny if Gobert out of nowhere brought back the set shot 3 and just started lighting fools up.

That will never happen. But it would be really funny i think.

76人球迷：要是戈贝尔新赛季突然秀出一手三分疯狂打脸，那就真是有意思了。

这是不现实的，不过想想就觉得好玩。

[–]Thunder moneybooy 76 指标 15小时前

Westbrook said he would improve his jumper every year...

雷霆球迷：威少以前年年都说会提升跳投……

[–][BOS] Rasheed Wallace todellagi 33 指标 15小时前

Man didn't lie. He shot more every year.

凯尔特人球迷：人也没骗人啊。他每年都投得更多了。

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[–]Cavaliers TheMentatBashar 154 指标 16小时前

Oh jeez that's a bigger deal than AD

骑士球迷：我天呐，这居然比戴维斯还高。

[–]Jingles HardWood 89 指标 13小时前

AD couldn’t get this deal because he left the team that drafted him to go to a bigger market...

戴维斯是拿不到这个价的，因为他离开了母队加入了更大的球会……

[–]76ers MaiqDaLiar1177 151 指标 16小时前

This makes me wonder what Embiid will get in a few years. That’s a lot of money for Rudy Gobert, but a part of me is glad he’s staying in a small market and not leaving to go to Miami, LA, or something. At least the Jazz get to retain their two stars

76人球迷：我倒想知道恩比德几年后会拿到什么价。戈贝尔这已经赚很多了，不过其实他能留在小球会没去热火、湖人这种地方我还是有点开心的。至少爵士留住了两名球星。

[–]Jazz Vordeo 125 指标 13小时前

I'd imagine Embiid gets an easy supermax?

爵士球迷：恩比德拿超级顶薪不是小菜一碟？

[–][UTA] Donovan Mitchell MaxLamborghini 572 指标 16小时前

I love rudy but we're at a dead end right now. Glad he got paid though...

爵士球迷：我很喜欢戈贝尔，但是现在我们走到死胡同了。不过他赚大钱我还是替他开心的……

[–]Thunder 5ive5tar 250 指标 16小时前

Damn man... really wanted to see how Utah could build around Mitchell. Pretty sure this throws a wrench in that for now.

雷霆球迷：操蛋啊……本来还挺想知道爵士怎么围绕米切尔建队的。这下啥指望都没咯。

[–]Jazz SFJazzies 235 指标 16小时前

I mean, they have a damn good team around him now...i was just hoping for a 3 year deal for Rudy. Whatever, he has been our best player in a long time. It's a lot, but small markets gotta pay

爵士球迷：我觉着吧，现在围绕米切尔打造的球队也特么挺不错的……只是我之前希望只给戈贝尔三年合同。不管了，怎么说他这些年都是我们的最强点。这钱很多，可小球市总得出血才行。

[–]Lakers sushie182 59 指标 16小时前

I think it would looks a lot better if he expanded his offensive game a bit but what are the chances he adds something?

I'm asking since you're a Jazz fan.

湖人球迷：要是他的进攻能力能加强一点，这个合同就合理多了吧，可是他进步的可能性有多大呢？

我就问问楼上这个爵蜜。

[–]Jazz SFJazzies 59 指标 15小时前

If he could develop a decent 15ft jump shot to work the pick n pop, and maybe work on a post move or two, that would be fantastic. Anything else I don't want to see from him. Screens, pick n roll... Thats his game right now. His post game is very average so I hope he adds to that first

Edit - I also don't think any of that is likely

爵士球迷：如果他能开发出靠谱的15英尺跳投从而提升挡拆威力，或者练练低位背打，那咱就乐开花了。其他的我也不抱指望。做墙、挡拆……这些他现在都会。他的低位背打太一般了，所以我希望他先练练这个。

[–][PHI] Joel Embiid lardbiscuits 67 指标 16小时前

Lot of money. Rudy is their most important player, though. And let's be honest...it's Utah.

People are going to trash and say overpay, but they don't understand how impactful Rudy is and that Utah had no choice. They're a lotto squad without him.

76人球迷：好大一笔钱哦。不过戈贝尔还是爵士最重要的球员。而且咱也得实际点，这可是犹他啊。

很多人都说给多了，可是他们不知道戈贝尔的影响力，也不明白爵士的别无选择。没了戈贝尔，他们直冲乐透区。